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Nearly since its founding, leaders of the LDS Church have excommunicated members for wrongdoing. In earlier times, such punishments might have lasted only weeks. Over the course of succeeding decades, this practice became more severe, constituting a wrenching removal from the community. Gaining readmittance often required intense penance and evidence of significant change stretching over a prolonged period of time. Sometimes this process even involved the leaders' colleagues. Justice and Mercy offers in-depth examinations of several high-profile case studies in church discipline, using journals and other sources close to the participants to provide candid detail.

Today we interview author Gary James Bergera and Editor Bryan Buchanan.

The book can be purchased here: Justice & Mercy

 


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Today we get to meet Special Guest Scott Dyer from Rameumptom Ruminations, a podcast centered on Mormon theology & interpretations of scripture through the lens of philosophy, literature and art under the Mormon Discussions Podcasts umbrella.

John and Scott discuss Brian Harris, a recent guest on Rameumptom Ruminations who was an employee at church headquarters in the correlation department. Brian offers us a chance to pull back the curtain and learn a little bit more about what goes on behind the scenes. How does the church gather and use data from its members? How far up the chain does that data go? What goes into the creation, revising, or scrapping of church programs?

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Starting Book of Abraham! Join us at noon today for the intro to the issues around the "translation" of this controversial piece of Mormon scripture.

LDS Discussion Book of Abraham Essay

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When Douglas Stilgoe, AKA "Nemo the Mormon" on YouTube, no longer felt he could publicly sustain Mormonism's top leadership of apostles & prophets due to multiple acts of demonstrable dishonesty, he lost one of Mormonism's highest privileges: the ability to attend the Temple.

For Mormons, Temple worship goes FAR beyond religious ceremony. It is the gate by which believing Mormons qualify for Exaltation, the highest level of Heaven & privilege in the after-life according to Mormon theology, and by which marriages & family relationships are "sealed" together for eternity. Thus, losing the privilege of Temple worship doesn't just risk an individual's OWN eternal reward, but also puts one's eternal marriage and other family ties in jeopardy, some even to the extent of believing that faithful spouses and children will be "reassigned" to a faithful stranger who will replace the unbelieving spouse or parent in Heaven.

It is also synonymous with personal "worthiness", so any Mormons not permitted inside are often thought to be committing or in the process of repenting from egregious sins, such as adultery. Mormons who are not considered "worthy" to perform Temple ordinances themselves are also barred from even attending ordinances - like weddings - of any friends and family that take place there, another significant source of pain and alienation for some.

Naturally, Doug found it problematic that for believing Mormons, such important things as Exaltation and Eternal Family can be held hostage and denied for something as simple as refusing to agree to sustain leaders who, by virtue of a supposedly secret ordinance known as the "Second Anointing," are exempt from any accountability towards members of the Church, even for bold, deliberate acts of harm and dishonesty.

...or are they?

This episode documents attempts made by Doug (Nemo) to get to the bottom of whether Mormon doctrines & practices meant to instill accountability from its earliest days and scripture are still applicable today, or whether they've become mere ritual, devoid of any meaningful significance other than virtue-signaling conformity and a continued commitment to blind obedience. As a squeaky wheel unable to be assuaged or silenced by local leadership, Nemo surprises everyone (including himself) when he manages to bypass the usual gatekeepers and break through the glass ceiling separating Mormonism's apostles and prophets from the rank-and-file, successfully garnering the attention of none other than second highest-ranking apostle and next in line to become prophet, Dallin H. Oaks.

How did it go? Tune it to find out!

Nemo the Mormon YouTube Channel

  • "Evidence of Dishonesty" - Nemo's document (coming soon!)

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Louisa Killian is back to talk about what happened after losing her job at BYU, and what resources helped her heal and grow. What have been her victories and challenges in rebuilding her life? How did her family react to her loss of faith? What role does art and creativity play in healing? How does Louisa navigate her marriage, parenting, self-care, and spirituality?

Louisa Killian

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After her marriage to a "worthy" priesthood-holding Returned Missionary goes south when her husband is arrested for fraud, Louisa Killian finds love & equality in a relationship outside of the Church and a fulfilling career teaching dance at BYU. But when it's time to renew her Temple Recommend to keep her ecclesiastical endorsement (a requirement for employment at the Church school), Louisa finds that honesty has severe consequences.

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Content Warning: Suicidal Ideation

Gary and Ernie were both raised members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They only had one major problem - they were gay. While Ernie tried marrying a woman and having children to "make the gay go away," Gary pursued graduate school, tried to date women, and eventually pursued a life of celibacy. At some point, both of their lives broke down.

Join us today for a true love story for the ages - how Gary and Ernie found love together, and how they are thriving today.

Gary & Ernie: Go Forward

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Join Kattie & Allan from Marriage on a Tightrope as they interview John & Margi on the various aspects of faith transitioning as a couple.

Marriage on a Tightrope started as a resource for mixed-faith couples (like themselves) after Allan lost his faith. Mixed faith marriages have their own unique complications and issues and Allan & Kattie hold vulnerable conversations about their mixed faith marriage in order to give the listener context and resources to navigate their own relationship. They have helped hundreds of couples and families stay together and learn to love, accept, and communicate with each other when one goes through a faith transition. 

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Content warning: Suicidal ideation, Drug addiction

Tani Berlo was raised in Australia as a biracial Mormon of Maori descent.  Showing an early love for history, Tani asked many questions of her LDS seminary teacher regarding science and history that caused concern.  This included questioning the validity of the "Lamanite" identity (from the Book of Mormon) handed to her as a descendent of the Maori people.

Later in Tani's teenage years she was shamed by her LDS church leaders for normative sexual exploration, and was ultimately summoned to a disciplinary council where she was asked sexually explicit questions by multiple men, and was disfellowshipped by the church.  This led to significant sexual shame as a temple married Latter-day saint.  After having children, Tani experienced significant post-partum depression and an opiate addiction, which when combined with her questioning of Mormon truth claims, led to a full-on faith crisis.

Today Tani hosts a TikTok channel on history with over 1.1 million followers.

This is Tani's Mormon story.

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Join us for a discussion on the Mormon Church coming out "in support" of the Respect for Marriage Act, which many Mormons are mistakenly interpreting as support for LGBTQ people, and for same-sex marriage.

LDS Newsroom Statement on the United States Congress Respect for Marriage Act

Co-host: Gerardo Sumano

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Brenton Erickson – Public Defender

Hannah Comeau – Recent law school graduate

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Join us for our first Mormon Stories Book Club episode covering LIGHTHOUSE - Jerald and Sandra Tanner, a biography written by Ronald Huggins.

Co-host: Rebecca Bibliotheca

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Sandra Tanner

Ronald Huggins

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Despite reports of progress, the Church today remains a highly discriminator organization. In this episode the panel will identify and discuss specific, concrete examples of how the Church explicitly discriminates today.

Co-host: Sam Shelly

Special Guest: Channel Achenbach

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Join John, Mike & Elisha Lee as they discuss common problematic apologies around the practice of polygamy in early Church History. From lies being called “carefully worded denials” and attempts to differentiate between “plural marriage” which God approved of or “spiritual wifery” which was not, and the fact that this is still current doctrine and what women have to look forward to in eternity and the harms caused past and present from this doctrine.

Special Guest: Elisha Lee

LDS Discussion Essay on Polygamy Apologetics

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Content Warning: Suicide Ideation

For Part 2 we come back to Shaye and Amanda's story after Shaye returns home from his mission. We learn how Shaye got involved in film with Mormon music group "The Piano Guys," their early issues with infertility, Amanda's schooling and career and the class (and book) that started her slowly on the path to finding out the real history of her belief system.

We also take a deep dive into Shaye's growing dysphoria into their marriage how that developed into severe internalized transphobia, which extended to the whole LGBTQ community as a whole as even allyship felt too "close" and "dangerous" to the secret he was trying to keep buried.

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Content Warning: Gender Dysphoria & Suicidal Ideation

Amanda and Shaye already have a following on their YouTube Channel "Great Scotts" but their video "Why we left the Mormon Church - coming out story" made an even bigger splash. Join us as we hear their stories growing up in Mormon families, their early testimonies and experiences with the Church, Shaye's gender dysphoria and thoughts of suicide, how they met, Shaye serving a mission, and their subsequent marriage after returning.

YouTube Channel: Great Scotts

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In part 5 of our 6-part series on polygamy within the LDS Discussion project, we discuss "The Happiness Letter," which was the letter Joseph Smith wrote to Nancy Rigdon to try to convince her to become one of his plural wives.

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Join us as we analyze a Mormon leader's private talk given to a small group of Church leaders that has stirred up the Mormon community. In his talk Ahmad S. Corbitt, first counselor in the LDS Church Young Men general presidency, vehemently condemns activism toward the Church.

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In Part 3 of 3 on this riveting story of Jeff & Larissa, we join them again as they bravely share their stories of sexual dysfunction due to LDS purity culture doctrines, Larissa's battle with breast cancer, Jeff's experiences with porn/masturbation, and BOTH Jeff and Larissa suppressing their sexuality.
 
They share their journey of healing and growing together in intimacy, as well as other changes post-Mormonism. What is parenting like? How have their beliefs changed and what do they believe now?

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In this Part 2 of 3, we return to Jeff & Larissa's story. Now married, Larissa gives up her University Studies to help Jeff through Med school. They share their struggles with infertility, the adoption process, and adopting black children as orthodox Mormons.
 
Larissa faces difficulties in early motherhood and building resentment as they settle into traditional LDS gender roles. Larissa feels she is losing herself wrapped up in her husband's life, while at the same time trying to silence that part of her that is unhappy, seeing it as "wrong."
 
Larissa is called as a RS President, even as she becomes more vocally progressive/feminist and has hope for the Church to change, but it doesn't last.
 
Jeff realizes the Gospel can't fix Larissa's unhappiness as the root cause is Patriarchy. He serves in Bishoprics for 7 years before discovering more about Church history from the CES Letter, and Rough Stone Rolling, with the Gospel Topics Essays being the final straw.
 
Jeff & Larissa finally recognize the level of harm of systemic racism & sexism in Mormonism and no longer wish to be a part of it.
 
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Join us as we meet Jeff & Larissa Kindred and follow their stories growing up as Latter-day Saints. Jeff's story includes a grooming scoutmaster, his love of sports, attending Snow College, and serving a mission in Jackson, Mississippi where he dealt with scrupulosity, unhealthy diet and exercise, becoming AP, and wrestling with racism in the Church culture & scripture.

Larissa's story involves her Japanese-American heritage, and gives a brief introduction on the history of anti-Japanese sentiment in Utah, including having been home to a Japanese "Work" Camp in Topaz. Larissa tells of the struggles her grandparents faced assimilating into Utah Culture and dealing with the loss of their own. Larissa also describes racism she experienced growing up in American Fork, UT and Mormon culture's ideals matching white beauty standards.

And this is just the beginning! Jeff and Larissa have a lot of experiences that many current and former Mormons will relate to and experiences that will be new for many to hear.

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Join Simon Southerton and Neville Rochow as they discuss the breaking news story of potentially fraudulent behavior by the LDS Church in Australia.

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Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John as they continue in Part 2 to look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives.

LDS Discussion Essay on Polygamy

Special Guest: Elisha Lee


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Content Warning: Suicidal Ideation

Join us as Brinley returns to share what rebuilding her life was like after returning home from her mission and how she finally found her voice & happiness.

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Content Warning: Suicidal Ideation & Planning

Join John & Margi as they interview young and spunky Brinley Jensen, a Gen Z returned missionary, as she shares her experiences growing up in the Church and the consequences she's faced at various times as she's spoken up for herself and grown into the person she is.

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Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John as they look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives.

LDS Discussion Essay on Plural Marriage Proposals

Special Guest: Elisha Lee


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Join us for two unique Mormon Stories as John Dehlin & Samantha Shelley interview Tommy & Madison Johnson. Tommy made fans and haters on both sides of belief when he hit the TikTok scene during COVID with funny skits on the peculiarities of Mormonism. What viewers couldn't see was that Tommy was struggling to know how to deal with many of the messier topics in Church History as well as the darker sides of modern Mormon doctrines such as the stance against the LGBTQ+ community, which includes his own sister, while ALSO navigating his mixed-faith marriage with Madison who stopped believing entirely after their Temple Marriage. Madison describes her life as having been "born into a faith crisis" due to stigma and family shame around being conceived out of wedlock by a teen mother. Madison's struggles with the faith continued through most of her life despite her levels of activity/involvement in the Church, even through her Temple Marriage with Tom. Madison leaves the Church upon finding the CES letter and she and Tommy work through what this will mean for their marriage, and even end up on an episode of the podcast "Marriage on a Tightrope" with Katie & Allan Mount. They finish off with where the couple is at today and how life is going since all of the changes they've been through. Guests:


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Supreme Court Amicus Curie briefings are a way for organizations to influence and become involved in significant Court cases. For many years the church has used its high-powered attorneys to file briefs in major cases. We will discuss which cases and what the church truly values. 

Special Guest: Sam Shelly


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Today’s episode continues the discussion on Polygamy with the (in)famous revelation still canonized in Mormon/LDS scripture as Section 132 of the Doctrine & Covenants. Mike sets up the historical & personal context of the timing of this revelation and the problematic ideas presented in it as coming from God including how God views women, redefining adultery and other moral issues, and the various rules and justifications given by God to practice polygamy. 

Mike goes on to show that Joseph admits himself that polygamy is something he wanted, and despite being the receiver of the various specific rules defined by God, he nevertheless proceeds to break every one of them. 

Finally, Mike goes over the many apologetics around this section of the Doctrine & Covenants and the problems with most of the arguments attempting to justify the revelation, Joseph’s polygamy, and the resulting polygamy among many of the branches of Mormonism, some continuing to this day. 

LDS Discussion Essay on Polygamy

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Going through a faith crisis can be a lonely and isolating experience, especially in a believing family, so imagine the relief to find someone else is going through the same thing! Join John & Margi as they interview Chris Lee and Mitch Hadfield about their Mormon Story, their struggles with the faith, their relief to find understanding, support & solidarity with each other, and where their lives are now.

In Part 2 of 2, Chris and Mitch explain the sources of their individual faith crises and how they processed it. Chris’ was a slow burn with a long amount of time spent in progressive Mormonism, while Mitch went from fairly conservative to a nonbeliever overnight. They explain the results of sharing their faith loss with each other, their wives, and other believing family members and where Chris and Mitch find themselves today. 

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Going through a faith crisis can be a lonely and isolating experience, especially in a believing family, so imagine the relief to find someone else is going through the same thing! Join John & Margi as they interview Chris Lee and Mitch Hadfield about their Mormon Story, their struggles with the faith, their relief to find understanding, support & solidarity with each other, and where their lives are now.

In Part 1 of 2, Chris and Mitch tell their respective stories growing up in Mormon families and share their individual struggles serving missions for the Church. Chris struggles deeply with depression and anxiety resulting in going home early though at the cost of guilt that will last for years. Mitch experiences shame over “unrepented sins,” difficulties of the mission, and deals with suicidal ideation, though his does finish the full two-year term.

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Mike and John discuss the timeline and cultural context surrounding Joseph Smith at the time he claims to receive the revelation on polygamy which became canonized and is still considered scripture for many modern Mormon branches, some who still practice it today, and even ones who don't, like the largest Mormon branch headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Content Warning: Mention of sexual acts, suicide, & suicidal ideation

Join us for a very special episode & guest, Daniel Spencer (@DanBamBam on Social Media) to share his heartwarming story with us. From growing up as a closeted gay Mormon teenager in a country where being gay isn't just illegal, but dangerous, to his mission experiences and discovering his talent not just for comedy but for starting important conversations at BYU and beyond! Daniel Spencer (@DanBanBam)

Trigger Warning: Suicides & Suicidal Ideation

In this part 2 of 2, Daniel returns to share what the remainder of his mission was like, his studies at BYU, dealing with his homosexuality, learning more about the Church's history and truth claims, and his attempts to learn to speak his truth out loud after decades of hiding who he was. Daniel attempts to use social media to bring attention to important issues as well as give people a chance to speak their truth, even if anonymously.

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Join us for a very special episode & guest, Daniel Spencer (@DanBamBam on Social Media) to share his heartwarming story with us. From growing up as a closeted gay Mormon teenager in a country where being gay isn't just illegal, but dangerous, to his mission experiences and discovering his talent not just for comedy but for starting important conversations at BYU and beyond! Daniel Spencer (@DanBanBam)

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In Part 1 of 2, Dan tells us about his Mormon upbringing in Zimbabwe, from how his parents met each other, ended up in Zimbabwe, and what may be different for Zimbabwean Latter-day Saints from the more common US & Utah-based stories. We learn what his teens were like, including sexual mores and education where Dan grew up and he shares his own experiences. We also learn when and how Dan began to gain his testimony of the Gospel, his decision to attend BYU and serve a mission, and what his experiences were like going through the Temple for the first time and his early mission experiences.

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Description: Join us for our very first General Conference Panel of Discussion on Mormon Stories Podcast. John, Samantha, Gerardo, Nemo, and John’s dad, David will analyze a few statements made during the October 2022 Mormon General Conference. You can't miss this one! Official Channel for General Conference Guest Panelists:

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Join Mike and John as they discuss Mormonism’s early connection with Masonry through Joseph Smith and the unique problems it creates for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to grapple with today.

Covered topics include the timeline of Joseph becoming a Master Mason before introducing the similarly-themed rituals of the Temple Endowment Ceremony, why many members and apologists claim Masonry to be of ancient origin despite evidence to the contrary, the many parallels between the secret rituals of both organizations, and whether or the Temple Endowment involved false doctrines.

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Evan Smith rose through the ranks of Mormon leadership ultimately becoming a Stake Presidency member. While serving as an LDS Bishop, Evan struggled with the Church’s positions on LGBTQ+ issues and later found out that his son Weston was gay. Even after coming out, Weston decided to serve an LDS Mission as an openly gay man, leading him to high levels of depression and heartbreaking experiences during and after coming back early from his mission.
 
Evan became an advocate for LGBTQ people in the Church. His position as a Stake Presidency Counselor led him to a few confrontations/discussions with General Authorities and a later meeting at Church Headquarters where they discussed Evan’s progressive beliefs on LGBTQ matters.
 
In Part 3 of 3, Evan describes getting called as a Stake Counselor, his attempts to be an ally for LGBTQ individuals and his subsequent faith crisis. Evan has a few debates/confrontations with Area Seventy Elder McCune (higher than Stake Presidency in Mormon leadership) over his gay son. Evan emails Apostles and other leaders on how the Church can change to be more loving and accepting of LGBTQ members resulting in a meeting with General Authority Allen D. Haynie. Evan continues faith deconstruction when his wife begins her faith crisis, and they both come to see the issues with sexism in the Church, biblical scholarship opening up new issues, and the family’s ultimate decision to leave the Church. 
 

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Evan Smith rose through the ranks of Mormon leadership ultimately becoming a Stake Presidency member. While serving as an LDS Bishop, Evan struggled with the Church’s positions on LGBTQ+ issues and later found out that his son Weston was gay. Even after coming out, Weston decided to serve an LDS Mission as an openly gay man, leading him to high levels of depression and heartbreaking experiences during and after coming back early from his mission.
 
Evan became an advocate for LGBTQ people in the Church. His position as a Stake Presidency Counselor led him to a few confrontations/discussions with General Authorities and a later meeting at Church Headquarters where they discussed Evan’s progressive beliefs on LGBTQ matters.
 
In Part 2 of 3, we start off where we left with Weston’s story growing up as a gay Mormon kid, discovering his sexuality, his suicidal ideation, and his decision to serve a mission as an “out” gay Mormon. Upon experiencing suicidality again on his mission Weston has a “spiritual experience” which leads to his resolve to leave the church and live a happy life. Meanwhile, Evan gets a call to become a 1st counselor in the Stake Presidency.

 

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Evan Smith rose through the ranks of Mormon leadership ultimately becoming a Stake Presidency member. While serving as an LDS Bishop, Evan struggled with the Church’s positions on LGBTQ+ issues and later found out that his son Weston was gay. Even after coming out, Weston decided to serve an LDS Mission as an openly gay man, leading him to high levels of depression and heartbreaking experiences during and after coming back early from his mission.

Evan became an advocate for LGBTQ people in the Church. His position as a Stake Presidency Counselor led him to a few confrontations/discussions with General Authorities and a later meeting at Church Headquarters where they discussed Evan’s progressive beliefs on LGBTQ matters. Join John and Gerardo as they interview Evan and his son Weston about their fascinating Mormon Story. 

In Part 1 of 3, we learn of Evan’s relatively normal LDS (Mormon) upbringing in Utah, early testimony-building experiences, and troubling issues on his mission regarding difficult Church topics including the Church’s racism & homophobia. Evan attends BYU and meets his wife, Cheryl, and works through law school with three children. He becomes a Branch President (leader of a local congregation-similar to a Bishop, but over a smaller congregation) and begins learning Gospel teachings and experiences weren’t as simple as they initially seemed, culminating in his son, Weston, coming out to him as gay.

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Join us for Part 2 of our discussion on Race and the Book of Mormon. Today Mike and John go over the various apologetics for the apparent racism in the Book of Mormon and early Church leaders, from denying those particular scriptures are literal, to saying “everyone was racist back then” and of course, breaking down the various problems each creates for a Church said to be built on the basis of revelation to modern prophets.

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Tim Kosnoff is back to share an update about the Boy Scouts of America Bankruptcy Filing and urgent deadline at the end of 2022 for anyone in California who was abused by a Boy Scout Leader outside of official BSA activities to be able to join a class-action lawsuit before the window is closed forever.

Anyone with questions or think this might apply to themselves or someone they love are encouraged to contact an attorney (ideally one with experience with child abuse claims) to learn more. Tim Kosnoff is a US attorney who has spent the last two decades representing victims of abuse and has graciously volunteered to talk with anyone who may have questions about this case. Contact info provided below.

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Join Mike from LDS discussions.com and John as they discuss race and Mormon scripture. This is part 1 of a 2-part series. We are also grateful to have a few call-in guests for this episode.


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Join us for Part 2 of our 2-part interview with pilot Greg Gerritsen

Join us for Part 2 of our 2-part interview with pilot Greg Gerritsen - grandson of the late and much believed Mormon or LDS Church apostle Joseph B. Wirthlin. In this series, Greg shares with us more of his own journey in the Church including:

  • Greg's mission experiences, many made more difficult by knowledge of his relationship with Elder Wirthlin
  • What Greg learned at Weber that began affecting his testimony
  • How often General Authorities miss out on family activities and events in service to the Church
  • How the Church deals with aging apostles once they begin to lose lucidity
  • How Greg lost his LDS testimony in spite of descending from the Mormon "elite," and what led him to want to tell his story.

Also, Greg shares his opinion on whether his grandfather actually "saw" Jesus Christ as an LDS apostle. We hope you enjoy!!!

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Join us for Part 1 of our 2-part interview with pilot Greg Gerritsen - grandson of the late and much believed Mormon or LDS Church apostle Joseph B. Wirthlin. In this series, Greg shares with us many fascinating stories about his experiences with his grandfather including:

  • The tendency of LDS church members to overly worship General Authorities, along with the unhealthy obsession some Mormons have with "access" to General Authorities.
  • The undying love Elder Wirthlin had for his wife (Elisa), his family, and for football.
  • The extent to which nepotism, cronyism, and patronage play a part in the selection of LDS church General Authorities.
  • The downsides/sacrifices of being an LDS church Apostle/General Authority.
  • The existence of divisions and "cliques" in the LDS church quorum of the 12 Apostles.
  • The unhealthy pressures and expectations put on the children and grandchildren of LDS General Authorities, that often lead to a familial emphasis on "public appearance" over healthy relationships.
  • The "code" that exists within families of LDS General Authorities to never do or say anything to bring dishonor to the family name or church, including speaking out about a loss of faith, which leads many descendants of LDS apostles to lie about and/or hide their loss of faith.

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Carah B, John L, and John D go over the tropes and stereotypes of "hateful" ex-Mormons.

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John and Mike discuss the origins and influences around Joseph Smith and the Creation of the Word of Wisdom.

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Patrick Mason returns to flip the script and put John under scrutiny!

Patrick Q. Mason holds the Leonard J. Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at USU. He has written or edited several books, including Proclaim Peace: The Restoration’s Answer to an Age of Conflict (Maxwell Institute and Deseret Book, 2021); Mormonism and Violence: The Battles of Zion (Cambridge University Press, 2019); What Is Mormonism? A Student's Introduction (Routledge, 2017); Out of Obscurity: Mormonism since 1945, co-edited with John Turner (Oxford University Press, 2016); Directions for Mormon Studies in the Twenty-First Century (University of Utah Press, 2016); and The Mormon Menace: Violence and Anti-Mormonism in the Postbellum South (Oxford University Press, 2011). He was a Fulbright Scholar in Romania in 2015 and is a past president of the Mormon History Association. Professor Mason is frequently consulted by the national and international media on stories related to Mormon culture and history. He teaches courses on Mormonism, American religious history, and religion, violence, and peacebuilding.

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Join us today for part 2 of our interview with faithful Mormon scholar Dr. Patrick Mason. In part 2 John and Margi discuss with Patrick his approach to thoughtful, faithful Mormonism as a scholar of Mormon Studies. Patrick Q. Mason holds the Leonard J. Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at USU. He has written or edited several books, including Proclaim Peace: The Restoration’s Answer to an Age of Conflict (Maxwell Institute and Deseret Book, 2021); Mormonism and Violence: The Battles of Zion (Cambridge University Press, 2019); What Is Mormonism? A Student's Introduction (Routledge, 2017); Out of Obscurity: Mormonism since 1945, co-edited with John Turner (Oxford University Press, 2016); Directions for Mormon Studies in the Twenty-First Century (University of Utah Press, 2016); and The Mormon Menace: Violence and Anti-Mormonism in the Postbellum South (Oxford University Press, 2011). He was a Fulbright Scholar in Romania in 2015 and is a past president of the Mormon History Association. Professor Mason is frequently consulted by the national and international media on stories related to Mormon culture and history. He teaches courses on Mormonism, American religious history, and religion, violence, and peacebuilding.

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LDS Scholar, author & apologist, Patrick Mason, shares his (brief) Mormon Story, including his childhood & teenage years before serving a Mission in Seattle, Washington. Patrick studies history at BYU, then Peacebuilding and Conflict Resolution at Notre Dame. Patrick explains how became nuanced and how he navigates difficult issues with the Mormon Church. He currently holds the Leonard J. Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University.

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John & Mike discuss changes made to the Doctrine & Covenants, part of the Mormon Canon.

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Elissa Wall is internationally known as the "woman who brought down Warren Jeffs." Never before has she been able to tell her full story, in an un-edited way. This is part 3 of her story, focusing on her efforts to put Warren Jeffs in prison, and how she has rebuilt a life since.

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Elissa Wall is internationally known as the "woman who brought down Warren Jeffs." Never before has she been able to tell her full story, in an un-edited way. This is part 2 of her story, focusing on her forced marriage to her first cousin at age 14 by FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs.

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Elissa Wall is internationally known as the "woman who brought down Warren Jeffs." Never before has she been able to tell her full story, in an un-edited way. This is part 1 of her story, focusing on her upbringing in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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Join John & Mike as they discuss the timeline for the restoration of the Priesthood compared to the current Church narrative.

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John's in the hot seat AGAIN as Steve Pynakker from YouTube Channel Mormon Book Reviews interviews John on his Spiritual Journey after being excommunicated from the Mormon Church.

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John takes the hot seat this time as Rick Bennett from YouTube Channel Gospel Tangents does the interviewing. Gospel Tangents is a channel looking to represent a 360 degree view of Mormonism and welcomes guests representing various views and experiences of the Restoration Gospel started by Joseph Smith. 

Rick calls John Dehlin the "grandfather" of Mormon podcasting. Not that he's old, but rather internet-old! Rick asks John about his journey in and out of the Church, dating an Oscar-winning actress in high school, some of his dealing with general authorities, and his excommunication and aftermath. They also discuss his tangles with apologists & neo-apologists, the Swedish Rescue, and whether he really wants people to stay LDS.

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John and Mike discuss historical & theological issues surrounding the accounts of Joseph Smiths "First" Vision.

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Dr. Thomas Murphy presents his fascinating findings regarding 19th Century Native American Christian converts that closely resemble important personages in The Book of Mormon. Join John and Gerardo as they are captivated by these stories and discuss the probability that these are the stories that inspired Joseph Smith’s creation of Book of Mormon characters.

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The Mormon Church has struggled with the engraved racist passages in its most holy book of scripture such as the divine curse that came upon the Lamanites turning them into loathsome people with a skin of blackness. Anthropologist Dr. Thomas Murphy joined John and Gerardo to discuss racism in The Book of Mormon and how Joseph Smith stole native culture, mixed it with racist ideas of his time, published it, and sold it as theirs. We also discuss how these racist ideas contained in the Book of Mormon have transcended into modern Mormon Culture and beliefs.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1646-ThomasMurphyPt2.mp3
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Renowned anthropologist Dr. Thomas Murphy comes back to update us on his journey engaging with Mormon scholarship and decolonization efforts. Join John and Gerardo as they enter into a fascinating discussion with Dr. Murphy about Book of Mormon apologetics and criticisms through the lens of a Mormon anthropologist's life.

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638-639: Dr. Thomas Murphy Book of Mormon/Lamanite DNA & His Near Excommunication

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TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of Sexual Assault, Rape, Child Abuse

In light of the recent Associated Press article about the Mormon church abuse hotline, we decided to ask our podcast listeners if any of them had ever been discouraged by Mormon leadership from reporting abuse to the police. Hundreds of listeners responded with concrete, and heart-wrenching examples. In Friday's episode, John and Jenn will be reading many of the accounts (scrubbed of identifying information), so as to highlight the longstanding and ongoing problem of abuse cases NOT being reported to police within the Mormon church.

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Join John Larsen, John Dehlin and Carah Burrell as they discuss how prior to the 1837 edits, The Book of Mormon was squarely trinitarian in its approach to God and Jesus christ. Some trinitarian elements remain in the book today. We will discuss and analyze each Passage to determine what Smith's theology was in the early days of Mormonism.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1643-JohnLarsenTrinity.mp3
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Join John and Mike, from LDS Discussions for an introduction to the multiple authors of Isaiah and what that means for the Book of Mormon.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1642-LDSDiscussionsDeuteroIsaiah.mp3
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Join John as he interviews Utah Representative Angela Romero, Lindsey Lundholm, and Dr. Julie Hanks about the upcoming Protect Kids rally, in favor of requiring clergy to report abuse.

ALL adults across the state, without exception, should be mandated to report child abuse. Representative Angela Romero has championed this legislation over the past two years. She is sponsoring the rally and will be the keynote speaker. Lindsey Lundholm is the grassroots organizer for the Protect Kids rally, and passionate about giving children one more safe line of defense against abuse. As a therapist and member of the LDS faith, Dr. Julie Hanks, stands in support of eliminating the clergy loophole. Please join us at the south steps of the Utah State Capitol this Friday @ 6:30pm. WEAR TEAL in support of SA survivors.

More details here: https://fb.me/e/2G8FC1foR

For those unable to attend in person, the event will be streamed live. In case of inclement weather, the event will be held fully online via Facebook live at 6:30pm on Friday, August 19th. Currently in Utah law, clergy are exempt from mandatory reporting of child abuse. Recent news stories have highlighted how this exception can lead to serious harm for children, and a grey area for clergy.

Let’s make the law clear: protecting children from abuse is the first priority. We are rallying to educate and encourage the state to pass laws that close the clergy loophole. We believe this is the year we can get it passed, to provide a safer Utah for children.

How you can help in the meantime:

🔹 RSVP to the Facebook event, and invite your circle of influence: https://fb.me/e/2G8FC1foR

🔹 Follow, like, and share on Instagram @mandateclergyreporting

🔹 Sign this petition (40k+ signatures): Make LDS Clergy Mandatory Reporters: https://chng.it/6DvQJS5rLF

🔹 DM or email us at mandateclergyreporting@gmail.com to lend support, offer to volunteer, etc.

🔹 Share your story. If you would like to express how you or a loved one has been impacted by the clergy exemption, please follow this link for more details:

* Find your representative link: https://le.utah.gov/GIS/findDistrict.jsp https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1n4Ai...

Direct download: MormonStories-1641-ProtectKidsUtahRalley.mp3
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TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of Sexual Assault, Rape, Child Abuse

Join John and Gerardo as they interview attorney Tim Kosnoff about the relationship between the Boy Scouts of America abuse epidemic and the Mormon church.

Tim Kosnoff is a US attorney who has spent the last two decades representing victims of abuse.

His introduction to the LDS Church and their lawyers was when he represented Jeremiah Scott who was sexually abused by a serial paedophile Frank Curtis. His work, in this case, appears in Lisa Davis’ legal thriller, The Sins of Brother Curtis.  This case has led to a practice in which he has come to represent over 150 Mormon abuse victims bringing him face to face with the Mormon law machine repeatedly.

Tim Kosnoff:

People can reach my office at 206.785.7326

https://www.kosnoff.com https://twitter.com/SexAbuseAttys

https://abusedinscouting.com/

 

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Direct download: MormonStories-1640-BoyScoutAbuseWithTim_Kosnoff.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 12:46pm MST

TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of Sexual Assault, Rape, Child Abuse, Suicide

Join John and Gerardo as they interview attorney Tim Kosnoff about the history and evolution of the Mormon church abuse hotline.  This hotline has resurfaced recently in the news in response to an Associated Press news story about the Mormon church (through its abuse hotline) telling two Arizona Mormon bishops not to report abuse to authorities, leading to seven years of child abuse in the abuser’s family.

Tim Kosnoff is a US attorney who has spent the last two decades representing victims of abuse.

His introduction to the LDS Church and their lawyers was when he represented Jeremiah Scott who was sexually abused by a serial pedophile Frank Curtis. His work, in this case, appears in Lisa Davis’ legal thriller, The Sins of Brother Curtis.  This case has led to a practice in which he has come to represent over 150 Mormon abuse victims bringing him face to face with the Mormon law machine repeatedly.

Tim Kosnoff:

People can reach my office at 206.785.7326

https://www.kosnoff.com https://twitter.com/SexAbuseAttys

https://abusedinscouting.com/

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Direct download: MormonStories-1639-LDSAbuseHotLineTimKosnoff.mp3
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TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of Sexual Assault, Rape, Child Abuse

When a father of a 5-year-old girl who was in counseling with his Mormon Bishop admitted to abusing his daughter, the Bishop followed the guidance of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and called a so-called "helpline" and he was advised by Church Lawyers to tell no one. The man continued to abuse his daughter for 7 more years and went on to assault her newborn sister. The AP has done a deep investigation into the Mormon Church's mishandling of child abuse and their article from last week has spread like wildfire. 

The LDS Church has put its PR department and news media outlets on high alert and they issued an official response and at least two articles trying to respond to the egregious revelations by the Associated Press. 

Join John, Gerardo, and Utah criminal defense attorney Brenton Erickson as they do a deep dive into the AP article and analyze whether the Church adequately explained the alarming allegations in the article. 

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Direct download: MormonStories-1638-MormonAbuseAPArticle.mp3
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TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of Sexual Assault, Rape, Child Abuse

The bombshell article by the Associated Press about the LDS Church’s abuse cover-up in Arizona and West Virgina has taken the Mormon community by storm. As the kickoff episode to our series covering the Mormon church’s handling of abuse John, Jenn, and Gerardo will react to a shocking 2018 interview by Gina Colvin with attorney Tim Kosnoff about his experiences representing over 150 Mormon sexual abuse victims that have brought him face-to-face with Kirton & McConkie and the Mormon law machine.

On Friday we will be interviewing Tim Kosnoff in studio to discuss the AP article in more detail, provide an update on the church's handling of abuse cases, and to discuss the Boy Scouts of America case. A link to Gina's original interview is in the show notes below.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1637-HowTheChurchHandlesAbuse.mp3
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Join us as we welcome Jessica Parker to the Thrive Stories podcast to discuss her journey of accepting and finding peace in infertility. As a woman who was raised in a faithful Latter-day Saint home, Jessica absorbed all the messages about the role of women and her divine purpose to bear children. She served a mission, got married in the temple, and gave her time and energy to the church for years. All of this came into question when Jessica began her faith journey--which then led to deconstructing and rebuilding her innate sense of value, identity, and purpose as a human being.

Thrive Stories is a podcast series where Margi (alongside John or Jenn) interviews a member of the community once per month. The interviews are shorter (2-3 hours), story-based, and are focused on a particular aspect of healing and growth AFTER a Mormon faith crisis (thus the THRIVE name). They generally happen on Tuesdays at noon (MST). Some examples of areas of thriving include: Family Relationships, Healthy Boundaries, Finding Community, Finding Meaning/Purpose, Dealing with Grief/Death, Religion after Mormonism, Health Sexuality, Parenting, Improving Physical Health, Identity, Health Marriage/Relationships, Secular Spirituality, Word of Wisdom 2.0, and Women Finding Their Own Voice after Mormonism.

If you would like to nominate someone you know who would be a great candidate for a THRIVE interview, please nominate them (or yourself) here.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1636-JessicaParkerTHRIVE.mp3
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is known globally for its massive missionary force. Over the past year we have received several independent reports suggesting serious distress in the Mormon missionary program, including:

  • A sharp decline in the number of LDS missionaries overall.
  • A sharp decline in the number of young men willing to serve missions.
  • A significant increase in the number of LDS missionaries returning home early.
  • Troubling new rhetoric/teachings from Mormon church leadership suggesting (out of seeming desperation) that Mormon missionary service for young men is mandatory/compulsory.

On Thursday at 4pm (mountain) we will be exploring this issue. If you have any data or stories regarding these (or other) developments regarding Mormon missionary work, please post them as comments below, or email us at: mormonstories@gmail.com and we can include your input in the show (anonymously if requested). Also, please plan to join us live for this show, wherein we hope to accept live video call-ins from viewers.

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Ally, a returned-missionary and member of BYU’s elite choir, BYU Singers, describes her struggles with perfectionism, mental health, harmful aspects of BYU culture, and discovering her asexuality in the context of marriage-centric Mormonism.

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Ally, a returned-missionary and member of BYU’s elite choir, BYU Singers, describes her struggles with perfectionism, mental health, harmful aspects of BYU culture, and discovering her asexuality in the context of marriage-centric Mormonism.

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Description: A look at how a late addition to the New Testament ended up in the Book of Mormon and what that tells us about the Book of Mormon's credibility as an ancient text.

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In 1984 Elder Ron Poelman gave a conference talk that was modified and re-recorded. What was done and why was it done?

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Ronald Poelman – Censored General Conference Talk – Nov 16, 1984

The Gospel and the Church – Sunstone Article

Elder Poelman’s Famous Speech (Sunstone Blog)

Dr. Brown’s 7 Honest Questions for Atheists – My Reply

MS Episode Elbert Peck

Metaphors We Live By, Lakoff & Johnson

Packer’s “Unwritten Order of Things”

MS Native American Women and the Lamanite Myth

Free/Moral Agency and Missions Talk

Book: This is My Doctrine, Charles Harrell

MS Episode: BYU Professor Charles Harrell & Evolution of Mormon Doctrine

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Direct download: MormonStories-1631-JohnLarsenPoelmanTalk.mp3
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Ari talks about growing up in the picture perfect Mormon family, and how it all crumbled when she was excommunicated from that family for speaking out against abuse. In this episode, we discuss how Ari lost her faith in the church when she realized that it, too was rooted in abuse and lies, and set on excommunicating those who spoke out against those things. In her discovery, she concluded that the church creates toxic family systems and even abuse cycles. Ari and Adam are parents to 9 kids, and are now cycle breakers.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1630-AriAdam.mp3
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We dive into the Sermon on the Mount and look at why it appears in the Book of Mormon along with what the changes tell us about the author of the Book of Mormon.

Show Notes: 

LDS Discussions article: 

Track Changes: The Sermon on the Mount – Book of Mormon vs. New Testament: 

Book of Mormon Central explanation: 

Brent Metcalfe MS episode 

MS Episode with Bart Ehrman 

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Dive into the fascinating story of Jonas Jödicke with John Dehlin and Nemo the Mormon. Born in the church in Germany, Jonas discovered an artistic talent which would lead his work to be adored all over the world. At the same time, Jonas had begun to discover his sexuality and what that would mean for his place in Mormonism.

Show Notes:

Jonas Jödicke (Fantasy Art) (@jojoesart) • Instagram photos and videos

Nemo the Mormon - YouTube

Thrive Beyond Religion

Musikalischer Abend Der Verlorene Sohn am 8. Dezember 2018 in Berlin

Moroni and the Swastika: Mormons in Nazi Germany: Nelson, David Conley 

https://mormonstories.org/?s=scrupulosity

1144-1146: A More Effective Approach to Masturbation and Pornography: For Teens and Adults - Mormon Stories

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline or dial 988 (US)

http://Cesletter.org

MormonThink

 

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What happens when a true believing mormon mom discovers that two of her “future missionary” sons are gay/queer/nonbinary? Just when Linda Barney thought she had the perfect life planned for her family, she discovered that letting her kids be exactly who they are and loving them unconditionally was a far happier and healthier path to follow than the one she had always been taught to believe in. Join us for this compelling Thrive Stories episode about Parenting LGBTQIA children.

 

Thrive Stories is a new podcast series where Margi (alongside John or Jenn) will be interviewing a member of the community twice per month.  The interviews will be shorter (1-2 hours), story-based, but will be focused on a particular aspect of healing and growth AFTER a Mormon faith crisis (thus the THRIVE name).  They will happen on Tuesdays at noon (MST). Some examples of areas of thriving include:  Family Relationships, Healthy Boundaries, Finding Community, Finding Meaning/Purpose, Dealing with Grief/Death, Religion after Mormonism, Health Sexuality, Parenting, Improving Physical Health, Identity, Health Marriage/Relationships, Secular Spirituality, Word of Wisdom 2.0, and Women Finding Their Own Voice after Mormonism.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1627-LindaBarney.mp3
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We review the historicity of the Tower of Babel and how the story is written into the Book of Mormon and directly leads to the stones that Joseph Smith claims were buried with the gold plates.

Show notes:

http://ldsdiscussions.com/babel

David Bokovoy MS episodes

MS Bart Ehrman episode

Noah’s Flood – w/ Simon Southerton

Adam and Eve MS episode with LDS Discussions

BOM translation episode with LDS Discussions

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Singer songwriter Ellee Duke and her husband Auz Engemann share what life was like growing up in affluent (even idyllic) Mormon communities (Provo and Draper, Utah) and why they decided to eventually distance themselves from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Ellee explains how she got her start in music, why she turned down American idol, and what challenges she had to overcome to finally bring her career into alignment with what she truly wanted—without losing herself in the expectations of others.

Other topics include Auz’ connections to big names like Larry David and the Osmonds, his struggle with Adderall addiction, the dangers of bishop roulette, and Ellee losing her gay uncle to suicide. 

We also premiere Ellee’s newest single about her Mormon faith crisis entitled “Deeper” - available on Spotify.

Ellee’s TikTok & Instagram: @elleeduke

Ellee Duke Web site

Paul Cardall MS Episode

Jessie Funk MS Episode

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Tyler Glenn MS Episode

Wayne Sermon MS Episode

Sarah Sample MS Episode

Ellee Duke the Singer Who Said No to American Idol

"Deeper" by Ellee Duke 

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Singer songwriter Ellee Duke and her husband Auz Engemann share what life was like growing up in affluent (even idyllic) Mormon communities (Provo and Draper, Utah) and why they decided to eventually distance themselves from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Ellee explains how she got her start in music, why she turned down American idol, and what challenges she had to overcome to finally bring her career into alignment with what she truly wanted—without losing herself in the expectations of others.

Other topics include Auz’ connections to big names like Larry King, David and the Osmonds, his struggle with Adderall addiction, the dangers of bishop roulette, and Ellee losing her gay uncle to suicide. 

We also premiere Ellee’s newest single about her Mormon faith crisis entitled “Deeper” - available on Spotify.

Singer songwriter Ellee Duke and her husband Auz Engemann share what life was like growing up in affluent (even idyllic) Mormon communities (Provo and Draper, Utah) and why they decided to eventually distance themselves from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Ellee explains how she got her start in music, why she turned down American idol, and what challenges she had to overcome to finally bring her career into alignment with what she truly wanted—without losing herself in the expectations of others. Other topics include Auz’ connections to big names like Larry David and the Osmonds, his struggle with Adderall addiction, the dangers of bishop roulette, and Ellee losing her gay uncle to suicide.

Pt 2: https://youtu.be/mzepGTUAdXY

Ellee’s TikTok & Instagram: @elleeduke

Ellee Duke Web site

Paul Cardall MS Episode

Jessie Funk MS Episode

Mindy Gledhill MS Episodes

Tyler Glenn MS Episode

Wayne Sermon MS Episode

Sarah Sample MS Episode

Ellee Duke the Singer Who Said No to American Idol

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Direct download: MormonStories-1624-ElleeAndAuz1.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 6:43pm MST

How the story of Noah, the arc, and the global flood is necessary for the veracity of Mormon scripture/doctrine, and a closer look at the historicity of the Biblical accounts of Noah and the flood.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1623-GlobalFlood.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 8:07pm MST

Join Margi and John for our next episode of Thrive Stories. Samantha Shelley (co-host of Zelph on the Shelf) will be stopping by the studio to share her journey from childhood growing up in England in an atheist/agnostic home through her teen years where she converted to Mormonism and into young adulthood when Sam left the church and began to rebuild her life and sense of self. We will talk about the wounds that emerged during those years as well as how Sam coped. If you have ever wondered about what it means to heal ourselves, this is the conversation for you! If you are interested in hearing more about reparenting, conscious coping, healing, or if you just want to hear some wisdom from Samantha--we would love to have you join us!

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Direct download: MormonStories-1622-SamanthaShellyTHRIVE.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 7:50pm MST

Christine Carol Robinson Burton is the niece of the late Mormon prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, and the daughter of Oliver Preston Robinson and Christine Hinckley Robinson.  Christine's father, Preston or "Pres" was a prominent professor of advertising a the University of Utah, general manager of the Deseret News Publishing Company and editor of the Deseret News, and a personal mentor to the late Mormon prophet Thomas S. Monson.  Preston was mentioned seven different times in the LDS Church-approved biography of Thomas S. Monson.

In Christine's heartbreaking and inspiring story, she relates several tragic Mormon-related stories, including:

  • Experiencing psychological, physical and sexual abuse at the hands of her parents.
  • Feeling deep confusion trying to reconcile her parents' abuse with her own self-worth, given that her parents/family were publicly lauded on multiple occasions by several Mormon prophets as being exemplary.  This included her father being called as mission president in England, and both of her parents receiving their Second Anointing after the abuse.
  • Her attempts to tell both Gordon B. Hinckley and Thomas S. Monson (as sitting prophets/apostles) about the abuse she experienced at the hands of her parents - wherein she was told by both that she needed to "put it behind her."
  • The death by suicide of her gay son.
  • Her loss of Mormon faith.
  • Her commitment to helping others heal and grow after Mormonism.

We hope you find value in this heartbreaking and inspiring episode.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1621-ChristineBurton.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 5:05pm MST

A look at the historicity of Adam and Eve and the impact that scholarship has on the scriptures of Mormonism.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1620-AdamEveLDSDiscussions.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 12:00pm MST

Called as an LDS/Mormon Bishop in the U.K. at just 23 years old, we will explore the effect such a calling has on someone so young. Join John Dehlin and Nemo the Mormon as they take time to get to know the man behind “Priesthood Dispatches”! PD is a man of many stories, and we can’t wait to explore them with you all!

If you or anyone you know is affected by abuse, please reach out to the numbers below:

For help in the UK 08088 010818

For help in the USA 800.656.HOPE

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  • Nemo’s Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/NEMOTHEMORMON/
  • Priesthood Dispatches: https://youtube.com/channel/UCx5yNRufseSR_JxYC8GJ2iA

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Direct download: MormonStories-1619-PreisthoodDispatches.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 8:55am MST

Join John and Jenn as they hear the unique Mormon Story of Sam and Melissa Zitting Wyson. Sam grew up in the FLDS church in Short Creek. After leaving the FLDS at age 18 he converted to the mainstream LDS church. He then met and fell in love with his beautiful wife, Melissa.

Listen in part two as Sam and Melissa begin to question doctrine of the LDS faith and their transition together out of the mainstream LDS church.

Listen in part two as Sam and Melissa begin to question doctrine of the LDS faith and their transition together out of the mainstream LDS church.

You can find them on their amazing YouTube channel Growing Up In Polygamy! https://www.youtube.com/c/GrowingUpinPolygamy

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Direct download: MormonStories-1618-GrowingUpPolygamy2.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 3:15pm MST

Join John and Jenn as they hear the unique Mormon Story of Sam and Melissa Zitting Wyson. Sam grew up in the FLDS church in Short Creek. After leaving the FLDS at age 18 he converted to the mainstream LDS church. He then met and fell in love with his beautiful wife, Melissa.

Listen in part two as Sam and Melissa begin to question doctrine of the LDS faith and their transition together out of the mainstream LDS church.

Listen in part two as Sam and Melissa begin to question doctrine of the LDS faith and their transition together out of the mainstream LDS church.

You can find them on their amazing YouTube channel Growing Up In Polygamy! https://www.youtube.com/c/GrowingUpinPolygamy

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Direct download: MormonStories-1617-GrowingUpPolygamy1.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 12:00pm MST

To what extent are Joseph Smith & Warren Jeffs similar vs. different?

The new Netflix documentary called "Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey" deals with the history of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its current prophet Warren Jeffs.

In today's episode, John and Jenn are joined by:

  • Sam and Melissa from the super popular "Growing Up in Polygamy" YouTube channel.  Sam was raised in the FLDS church under Rulon and Warren Jeffs, and Melissa was raised in the mainstream LDS/Mormon church.
  • Joanna, also raised in the FLDS church.

The focus for today's episode will be the similarities and differences between Mormon church founder Joseph Smith and FLDS church prophet Warren Jeffs.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1616-WarrenVsJoseph.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 3:46pm MST

A recap of how scholars can show the Book of Mormon is a 19th century text and a look at how Joseph Smith could have produced it.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1615-BoMAuthorship.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 12:00pm MST

The Great Salt Lake is currently facing an environmental disaster that threatens the seat of Mormonism. What is the responsibility of the church and how will they respond? Join us for an episode with John Larsen, Carah, and John about this fascinating discussion.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1614-JohnLarsenGreatSaltLake.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 5:37pm MST

Join us for an epic but daunting story of the Mormon Church going out of its way to persecute and discipline a same-sex married and non-endowed member who was trying to live a happy life outside the fear and shame of Mormon orthodoxy. With audio recordings of phone calls, meetings, and the Disciplinary Council itself, we will show the constant misrepresentations, deflections, and gaslighting perpetrated by the Bishop and the Stake President to protect the good name of the church. A modern case of lying for the Lord.

After moving out of his home-Stake, not attending church for 4 years, and 6 months after posting on Facebook about getting married to the love of his life, Brennen was handed a letter at his door. He was utterly stunned and confused as he read the document signed by his childhood bishop who was summoning him to a Disciplinary Council on the basis of his same-sex marriage.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1613-DouglasBrennen.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 4:47pm MST

Join us as we continue Rachel’s story through her LDS faith crisis to Evangelical Worship Leader to Ex-Christian.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1612-RachelWunderli2.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 3:30pm MST

Join John and Jenn as we hear Part 1 of Rachel’s Mormon Story! From growing up on the east coast, the difficulties of moving to Utah in high school and the pressure of a temple marriage.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1612-RachelWunderli1.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 11:58am MST

Join John and Mike as they discuss the mistranslations in the King James Version that end up in the Book of Mormon and the problems it presents.

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Direct download: MormonStores-1611-KJBvsBOMLDSdiscussions.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 12:00pm MST

Join John and Mike from LDS Discussions as they discuss the Anachronisms in the Book of Mormon!

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Direct download: MormonStories-1609-Anachronisms.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 2:58pm MST

Join Margi and John for our next episode of Thrive Stories this coming Tuesday at noon (MST).

Rachel of PostMormon Parenting on Instagram will be joining us in the studio!  Rachel was born and raised in a Mormon family on the east coast. She spent her youth preparing to be a “mother in Zion.” She had three children before her faith transition, and her parenting style was modeled after the examples she found in the scriptures and at church. During and after her faith transition, she realized that this style was doing more harm than good, and things needed to change.  Hear her story and  WHAT has changed in her parenting style on Thrive Stories!

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Direct download: MormonStories-1608-THRIVEstoriesRachel.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 1:00pm MST

Teal Swan is a highly controversial New Age guru with millions of online followers.  Teal specifically markets her services to vulnerable, often suicidal individuals, and advances highly controversial and/or damaging beliefs and techniques including:

  • Encouraging graphic suicidal ideation.
  • Nurturing false memories and false accusations of ritual abuse by family members through thoroughly debunked recovered memory techniques.
  • Waterboarding as a trauma treatment.
  • Downplaying the severity of death by suicide by likening it to “hitting the reset button” into a future reincarnated life.

Teal’s practices are covered more thoroughly in the recently released Hulu series entitled “The Deep End.” Several deaths by suicide have been attributed to Teal’s practices.

In today’s episode we interview Diana Hansen Ribera, who was one of Teal’s closest childhood and adolescent friends.  In her interview, Diana provides thorough detail to challenge Teal’s false claims of being a victim of satanic ritual abuse and sex trafficking as a child, and explains how Teal developed her coercion skills and harmful techniques with Diana — that Teal would eventually employ on a broader scale.

Warning: This interview contains graphic and disturbing content.  Viewer and listener discretion is advised.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1607-DianaRibera.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 4:22pm MST

Join Simon, John, and Gerardo as they discuss Mormon Cosmology as it relates to the origin and development of the universe based on LDS teachings and scriptures.

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Direct download: MormonStories-1605-MormonCosmology.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 1:36pm MST

Join us for the last part of our response to Elder David Bednar's most interesting section of his National Press Club Conference in which he is questioned about the declining LDS membership in the US, same-sex marriage, and the $100 billion Church fund.

John, Jenn, RFM, and Gerardo will be discussing Elder Bednar's remarks and what he left out!

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Direct download: MormonStories-1605-BednarSpeechPt2.mp3
Category:Religion -- posted at: 3:59pm MST